hagel's chief of staff. worked with him from 2000 to 2008. >> thank you for having me, soledad. >> who is the real chuck hagel? a guy who at one point 14 years ago said a diplomat was aggressively gay and that made him unfit to be ambassador to luxembourg. the guy who talked about the jewish lobby and he really meant the israel loebby, or a guy who says i'm sorry. i am a decorated vietnam veteran and i would be tremendous secretary of defense. who is he? >> let me speak to the chuck hagel i knew. this guy served on the ground in vietnam. earned two purple hearts while he was there. that's the prism to which he sees making policy for the united states government. the point of view someone on the ground, in the mud, during the fighting and the dying and so many of those people have carried the burden for the last ten plus years in the united states of america as we've been in this endless cycle of war. those are the people who chuck hagel will orient himself to wars and standing up for. with regard specificall